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Equal - egalitarian
view of relationship
between man and
woman
Christian egalitarianism holds that men
and women are equal before the sight
of God. Jesus always treated women
equally. He told the Samaritan woman
at the well who he really was, and she
then went preaching to the town,
pointing them to Jesus. He allowed
women to sit at his feet alongside the
men while he was teaching, and did not
make them go into another room and
wait for their husbands to explain his
words. Jesus shed the same blood on
the cross for women as he did for men.
The same price was paid, and we should
have the same obligation and privilege
for service. Egalitarian - Serving
equally in all ways. In the home, equal
partners with our husbands; in the
church, equal opportunity to answer
God's call and to serve in the church.
view of relationship
between man and
woman
Christian egalitarianism holds that men
and women are equal before the sight
of God. Jesus always treated women
equally. He told the Samaritan woman
at the well who he really was, and she
then went preaching to the town,
pointing them to Jesus. He allowed
women to sit at his feet alongside the
men while he was teaching, and did not
make them go into another room and
wait for their husbands to explain his
words. Jesus shed the same blood on
the cross for women as he did for men.
The same price was paid, and we should
have the same obligation and privilege
for service. Egalitarian - Serving
equally in all ways. In the home, equal
partners with our husbands; in the
church, equal opportunity to answer
God's call and to serve in the church.
God did not create two
human beings, male
and female, and give
one to have authority
over the other.
Some SBC seminaries that are teaching
that women are weak, and in need of
male authority. When anyone sets
themselves up to be in authority over
another, it gives untold powers to that
person. Marriages will suffer. Women
will suffer. Is this the way we want our
young men to relate to their wives, our
daughters? Are these young men who
are told that their wife is to submit to
them, reliable judges as to how far
submission should go? How do they
determine what submission is scriptural
and what level of submission is simply
because that is what the man desired?
How do they treat women who do not
submit as fully as they think she should.
human beings, male
and female, and give
one to have authority
over the other.
Some SBC seminaries that are teaching
that women are weak, and in need of
male authority. When anyone sets
themselves up to be in authority over
another, it gives untold powers to that
person. Marriages will suffer. Women
will suffer. Is this the way we want our
young men to relate to their wives, our
daughters? Are these young men who
are told that their wife is to submit to
them, reliable judges as to how far
submission should go? How do they
determine what submission is scriptural
and what level of submission is simply
because that is what the man desired?
How do they treat women who do not
submit as fully as they think she should.
To claim women's equality is not anti-male. Why: Equality means both men and women are equal before God in all ways However, "male authority" as taught in our churches is anti - woman Why: Male Authority means women were created to have men rule over them because of their insufficiency |
What is the true meaning of Christmas?
The Jewish people looked for a Messiah like King David. A powerful leader who would
come and take down their enemies, make Jerusalem Jewish again, and who would die a
mortal death, as all humans do. The scriptures promised them a savior and they
anticipated his arrival. But what they got was not what they expected. Instead of a
physical warrior who would defeat the Romans, they got a spiritual warrior who,
instead of turning his eyes upon their enemies, turned his eyes upon their relationship to
God. Particularly the laws they had expanded to make life miserable, and then the artful
and deceitful ways they had of getting around those laws. Read Matthew 15:3 and
Matthew 23 to see what Jesus had to say about their spiritual condition. You want to
know the true meaning of Christmas? It is this: Jesus came to free us from the
rigamarole that man had bound God with. All those laws didn’t mean anything because
man had found ways to get around them. Jesus told them to love God with all their
heart, and to love their fellow man. When love is the motivator, our worship of God, and
helping our fellowman, will take on a different meaning. We will feed the hungry, help
the poor, care forthe sick, treat others as we want to be treated, give the Good News
to everyone, and make this a better world for all to live in. (Shirley Taylor)
The Jewish people looked for a Messiah like King David. A powerful leader who would
come and take down their enemies, make Jerusalem Jewish again, and who would die a
mortal death, as all humans do. The scriptures promised them a savior and they
anticipated his arrival. But what they got was not what they expected. Instead of a
physical warrior who would defeat the Romans, they got a spiritual warrior who,
instead of turning his eyes upon their enemies, turned his eyes upon their relationship to
God. Particularly the laws they had expanded to make life miserable, and then the artful
and deceitful ways they had of getting around those laws. Read Matthew 15:3 and
Matthew 23 to see what Jesus had to say about their spiritual condition. You want to
know the true meaning of Christmas? It is this: Jesus came to free us from the
rigamarole that man had bound God with. All those laws didn’t mean anything because
man had found ways to get around them. Jesus told them to love God with all their
heart, and to love their fellow man. When love is the motivator, our worship of God, and
helping our fellowman, will take on a different meaning. We will feed the hungry, help
the poor, care forthe sick, treat others as we want to be treated, give the Good News
to everyone, and make this a better world for all to live in. (Shirley Taylor)
If MALE HEADSHIP was God's plan he would have sent the angel Gabriel to Joseph first to tell
him that the Christ-child would be born in his family.
him that the Christ-child would be born in his family.
The beginning of the heretical teaching that Christ submitted to
God, and therefore, women are to submit to their husbands.
This heretical teaching began in 1977 as a backlash against feminism. The creation theory that
holds that God created women to be under male authority was in the book "The New Testament
Teaching on the Roles of Men and Women in the Church" written by a Presbyterian professor
Charles W Wright III. Two Baptists pastors then picked up on this, and now it is being taught in
our seminaries as truth.
George W Knight III argued in his book about gender roles that the subordination of women to
men is theologically analogous to the subordination of the Son to the Father in the Trinity.
Australian theologian Kevin Giles has more recently responded that complementarians have
"reinvented" the doctrine of the Trinity to support their views of men and women, suggesting
that some complementarians have adopted a heretical view of the Trinity similar to Arianism.*
(Wikipedia) The argument that our heavenly Father ruled over the Son and He was submissive
and therefore, women must be, is an argument that has gained favor only recently. It is being
taught in our seminaries and in our churches. That makes Jesus forever submissive to God, not
just while He was on earth, but in Heaven also. That in effect makes Jesus a lesser God.
Please read the link titled “The Eternal Subordination of Christ and Women by Dr. Kevin Giles.
http://www.citypres.org/downloads/EternalSubordination.pdf
*Arius posed the question, "Is Jesus unbegotten?" In other words, he taught that God the Father and the Son did not
exist together eternally. Further, Arius taught that the pre-incarnate Jesus was a divine being created by (and possibly
inferior to) the Father at some point, before which the Son did not exist. (Wikipedia)
God, and therefore, women are to submit to their husbands.
This heretical teaching began in 1977 as a backlash against feminism. The creation theory that
holds that God created women to be under male authority was in the book "The New Testament
Teaching on the Roles of Men and Women in the Church" written by a Presbyterian professor
Charles W Wright III. Two Baptists pastors then picked up on this, and now it is being taught in
our seminaries as truth.
George W Knight III argued in his book about gender roles that the subordination of women to
men is theologically analogous to the subordination of the Son to the Father in the Trinity.
Australian theologian Kevin Giles has more recently responded that complementarians have
"reinvented" the doctrine of the Trinity to support their views of men and women, suggesting
that some complementarians have adopted a heretical view of the Trinity similar to Arianism.*
(Wikipedia) The argument that our heavenly Father ruled over the Son and He was submissive
and therefore, women must be, is an argument that has gained favor only recently. It is being
taught in our seminaries and in our churches. That makes Jesus forever submissive to God, not
just while He was on earth, but in Heaven also. That in effect makes Jesus a lesser God.
Please read the link titled “The Eternal Subordination of Christ and Women by Dr. Kevin Giles.
http://www.citypres.org/downloads/EternalSubordination.pdf
*Arius posed the question, "Is Jesus unbegotten?" In other words, he taught that God the Father and the Son did not
exist together eternally. Further, Arius taught that the pre-incarnate Jesus was a divine being created by (and possibly
inferior to) the Father at some point, before which the Son did not exist. (Wikipedia)
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advocating for Women Deacons and Women Pastors
Change is never easy even though we are constantly changing. One day we look in the
mirror and see a gray hair which we immediately pluck out. Then one day we realize
that if we keep plucking the gray hairs, we won't have any left. The change was subtle
and came about unexpectedly.
Just as we are constantly changing in our physical bodies, the world around is not
standing still. One day we don't know what an iPod is, and the next thing we know, we
have two of them. We have elections to elect a new President every four years because
one man has convinced us that we need to change from the policies of the past four
years. We take our last child to kindergarten and revel in the way he or she has grown.
We watch our parents age and we find ourselves acting more mature.
We may want to hold on to the present, or even go back into the past, but we can't do
that. What we find good about today will be seen as old-fashioned or obsolete in a few
years.
That may be the reason that we resist changing in our churches. However, just as the
gray hair appeared unexpectedly because of the changes that were taking place in our
bodies, our churches have changed. Even the scriptures have changed. Forty years ago
almost everyone had a King James Bible which we used in Sunday school to memorize
verses, and in church. Today we have multiple translations from which to choose.
The old-time religion has moved into the 21st century with a look and feel that our
grandpas would not have accepted. Yet, here again, we think this is normal. But it is a
change that has taken place in our churches.
Attitudes about women are due a change. The scriptures are still true. But like many
scriptures, our interpretation of those scriptures are being enlightened. Just as we
know that slavery is wrong, we know that denying women the fullness of their salvation
is wrong. Our Southern Baptist Convention was founded on the belief,and by people
who believed, that owning slaves was Biblical. Today we read those very same
scriptures and know that our interpretation of them was wrong.
mirror and see a gray hair which we immediately pluck out. Then one day we realize
that if we keep plucking the gray hairs, we won't have any left. The change was subtle
and came about unexpectedly.
Just as we are constantly changing in our physical bodies, the world around is not
standing still. One day we don't know what an iPod is, and the next thing we know, we
have two of them. We have elections to elect a new President every four years because
one man has convinced us that we need to change from the policies of the past four
years. We take our last child to kindergarten and revel in the way he or she has grown.
We watch our parents age and we find ourselves acting more mature.
We may want to hold on to the present, or even go back into the past, but we can't do
that. What we find good about today will be seen as old-fashioned or obsolete in a few
years.
That may be the reason that we resist changing in our churches. However, just as the
gray hair appeared unexpectedly because of the changes that were taking place in our
bodies, our churches have changed. Even the scriptures have changed. Forty years ago
almost everyone had a King James Bible which we used in Sunday school to memorize
verses, and in church. Today we have multiple translations from which to choose.
The old-time religion has moved into the 21st century with a look and feel that our
grandpas would not have accepted. Yet, here again, we think this is normal. But it is a
change that has taken place in our churches.
Attitudes about women are due a change. The scriptures are still true. But like many
scriptures, our interpretation of those scriptures are being enlightened. Just as we
know that slavery is wrong, we know that denying women the fullness of their salvation
is wrong. Our Southern Baptist Convention was founded on the belief,and by people
who believed, that owning slaves was Biblical. Today we read those very same
scriptures and know that our interpretation of them was wrong.
When interpreting scripture, look to Jesus. Nowhere in the Bible, does Jesus tell men that they are favored by God, and that the women and girls in their lives must submit to the man of the family. |
| There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. – Galatians 3:28 |
King Solomon dropped the ball with his MALE HEADSHIP
authority
His family consisted of 700 wives and 300 concubines who were hungering for a god which
caused them to worship their old family gods. King Solomon was King. He was the head of the
household. He should have led the women in his family to God. Instead he blamed them for his
weakness. (1 Kings 11:1-6)
authority
His family consisted of 700 wives and 300 concubines who were hungering for a god which
caused them to worship their old family gods. King Solomon was King. He was the head of the
household. He should have led the women in his family to God. Instead he blamed them for his
weakness. (1 Kings 11:1-6)
The Danvers Statement on Biblical Manhood and Biblical Womanhood
This statement has a lot of words, but it boils down to this: women were created only
to be homemakers and to have babies and serve their husbands, because by not doing
so, the women will ruin society.
1. the increasing promotion given to feminist egalitarianism with accompanying distortions or neglect
of the glad harmony portrayed in Scripture between the loving, humble leadership of redeemed husbands
and the intelligent, willing support of that leadership by redeemed wives;
2. the widespread ambivalence regarding the values of motherhood, vocational homemaking, and the
many ministries historically performed by women; (women's work)
This statement has a lot of words, but it boils down to this: women were created only
to be homemakers and to have babies and serve their husbands, because by not doing
so, the women will ruin society.
1. the increasing promotion given to feminist egalitarianism with accompanying distortions or neglect
of the glad harmony portrayed in Scripture between the loving, humble leadership of redeemed husbands
and the intelligent, willing support of that leadership by redeemed wives;
2. the widespread ambivalence regarding the values of motherhood, vocational homemaking, and the
many ministries historically performed by women; (women's work)
Christ is returning soon - has your pastor stopped his 403(b)?
Baptist women talk about the imminent return of Christ. They are told to expect Christ's
return at any time, and it will be soon. Just look around at the condition the world is in. Are
women being taught this so we will not push for equality in our churches? After all, if Christ
is about to return, why should we worry about the inequity of not being allowed to follow
God's calling in our lives? Soon it won't matter and it is better to wait. Sit back and be quiet.
Christ is returning soon.
Has your pastor stopped giving to his 403(b)? If he hasn't, then he is not entirely convinced.
So speak up. There is still plenty of time. There is time to help your daughter be the woman
Christ freed her to be. Will you be the voice for your daughter?
Baptist women talk about the imminent return of Christ. They are told to expect Christ's
return at any time, and it will be soon. Just look around at the condition the world is in. Are
women being taught this so we will not push for equality in our churches? After all, if Christ
is about to return, why should we worry about the inequity of not being allowed to follow
God's calling in our lives? Soon it won't matter and it is better to wait. Sit back and be quiet.
Christ is returning soon.
Has your pastor stopped giving to his 403(b)? If he hasn't, then he is not entirely convinced.
So speak up. There is still plenty of time. There is time to help your daughter be the woman
Christ freed her to be. Will you be the voice for your daughter?
Every time you take your daughter to church you tell her she is inferior in God's sight.
If worship hadn't changed down through the years, we would still be singing the
Gregorian Chants - Dr. John Bisagno
Gregorian Chants - Dr. John Bisagno
They Tinkered with
1 Peter 3
Two weeks after The Danvers
Statement on Biblical Manhood
and Biblical Womanhood was
adopted by the Southwestern
Theological Seminary, I heard a
pastor preach on wives’
submission in 1 Peter 3. He told
the women that if they didn’t like
what it said, to take it up with
Peter, not him.
But they had already tinkered
with 1 Peter 3 in The Danvers
Statement and changed the
meaning of it. They refer to the
‘humble leadership of redeemed
husbands… and redeemed
wives.’ 1 Peter 3:1 does not say
that. In fact, it says women are
to submit to their husbands who
are not redeemed because by
their lives they can bring their
husband to a redeeming faith.
Women leading their husbands
to salvation? Absolutely! (I
guess he then was supposed to
be her leader)
1 Peter 3
Two weeks after The Danvers
Statement on Biblical Manhood
and Biblical Womanhood was
adopted by the Southwestern
Theological Seminary, I heard a
pastor preach on wives’
submission in 1 Peter 3. He told
the women that if they didn’t like
what it said, to take it up with
Peter, not him.
But they had already tinkered
with 1 Peter 3 in The Danvers
Statement and changed the
meaning of it. They refer to the
‘humble leadership of redeemed
husbands… and redeemed
wives.’ 1 Peter 3:1 does not say
that. In fact, it says women are
to submit to their husbands who
are not redeemed because by
their lives they can bring their
husband to a redeeming faith.
Women leading their husbands
to salvation? Absolutely! (I
guess he then was supposed to
be her leader)
The Scriptures are still true
Attitudes about women are due a change.
The scriptures are still true. But like many
scriptures, our interpretation of those
scriptures are being enlightened. Just as we
know that slavery is wrong, we know that
denying women the fullness of their salvation
is wrong. Our Southern Baptist Convention
was founded on the belief,and by people who
believed, that owning slaves was Biblical.
Today we read those very same scriptures
and know that our interpretation of them was
wrong.
Attitudes about women are due a change.
The scriptures are still true. But like many
scriptures, our interpretation of those
scriptures are being enlightened. Just as we
know that slavery is wrong, we know that
denying women the fullness of their salvation
is wrong. Our Southern Baptist Convention
was founded on the belief,and by people who
believed, that owning slaves was Biblical.
Today we read those very same scriptures
and know that our interpretation of them was
wrong.
Misuse of Scripture in the Past
(Woman be Free! by Patricia Gundry)
Luke 14:23 The Inquisition - Heresy was anything
that differed from the official doctrine of the
Catholic church.
Isaiah 51:13, 16 -Galileo - Man was the center of
the universe, and the stars, moon, and sun
revolved around earth.
Exodus 22:18 Witches - Scapegoats to blame for
their troubles.
Genesis 3:16 Medicine - women could not have
painkillers during childbirth because "with pain
you will give birth to children."
1 Corinthians 7:20-24, Ephesians 6:5-8, 1 Timothy
6:1,2 Slavery - Scriptures refer to the behavior
of believing slaves toward their masters. It was
seen as condoning slavery.
(Woman be Free! by Patricia Gundry)
Luke 14:23 The Inquisition - Heresy was anything
that differed from the official doctrine of the
Catholic church.
Isaiah 51:13, 16 -Galileo - Man was the center of
the universe, and the stars, moon, and sun
revolved around earth.
Exodus 22:18 Witches - Scapegoats to blame for
their troubles.
Genesis 3:16 Medicine - women could not have
painkillers during childbirth because "with pain
you will give birth to children."
1 Corinthians 7:20-24, Ephesians 6:5-8, 1 Timothy
6:1,2 Slavery - Scriptures refer to the behavior
of believing slaves toward their masters. It was
seen as condoning slavery.
Southwestern Theological Seminary
adopts statement asserting male
headship. Called The Danvers Statement on Biblical
Manhood and Biblical Womanhood. It will affect you
when your youth pastor starts teaching your girls
they are to submit to the God-man they are to
marry. When your sons are told they are superior
to their mother who gave birth to them. When
your pastor preaches on the family and you find
the women are the only ones submitting. Read
"Jackboot of the Southern Baptist Convention"
adopts statement asserting male
headship. Called The Danvers Statement on Biblical
Manhood and Biblical Womanhood. It will affect you
when your youth pastor starts teaching your girls
they are to submit to the God-man they are to
marry. When your sons are told they are superior
to their mother who gave birth to them. When
your pastor preaches on the family and you find
the women are the only ones submitting. Read
"Jackboot of the Southern Baptist Convention"